Some time ago I received an inquiry from one of our readers regarding a rather well-made underhammer action sporting a coiled internal mainspring. Unfortunately, I don't have any information on the maker, D.A. Stanley.
The sophistication of the part numbering system that Mr. Stanley employed seems to indicate that he may have made a number of these little actions. Perhaps enough of them that some of you readers may recognize the gadget and know the story behind the man and his underhammer product. If you have any information please contact me by e-mail and I'll share it with our readers.
After careful study of the photo, I am guessing that it was intended for use in a target rifle as it does not appear to have a half-cock or safety notch which is essential in a field gun.
For those of you who are tinkerers and machinists, you can get a closer look at the workings of it by clicking on the photo. Then click the Back button on your browser to return to the text. Perhaps you'll get some inspiration from its design.
BTW, our poll results indicate that most of you readers are target shooters, so I do hope that the Stanley action is something that some of you may recognize.
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15 May 2010
09 May 2010
We're taking a poll...
Yes, we're taking a poll, but not about solutions to world problems. It seems that we already have enough politicians who would have us believe that they've got it under control - despite their ongoing and astounding screw-ups. Truly, the idiots are running the asylum! But that's another subject for another poll. Here we have serious questions to consider and need your input - just to get a better idea of who's reading this stuff.
No need for concern about privacy. By participating, your personal information will not be collected and forwarded to INTERPOL. So, no silenced black helicopters dropping Ninja assassins into your backyard to take you out because you clicked on that "tricky" answer.
There are no trick questions or wrong answers, so when you get to the bottom of the page, please take a moment to clue me in as to your underhammer interests. However, if you're a collector I won't guarantee that we'll have a whole lot more astounding new facts about The Significant Role of Underhammers in the French Revolution. But, it should be interesting to see who's reading and what your interests are.
Yeah, I know, using blatant sex to coerce you into participation is pretty despicable, but I had to do something to get your attention.
BTW, better wipe that smile off your face before the significant other sees it.
Thanks for playing along.
Cheers!
THE RESULTS!
Well friends, the polls are closed and the results are in.
I want to extend a big Thank You to those few of you who did take the time to participate.
So, here's a cross section of you readers - or at least those who responded:
Target shooters.............................................................27 (67%)
Hunters.........................................................................21 (52%)
Collectors.......................................................................6 (15%)
All the above.................................................................10 (25%) None of the above. I just came for the free stuff...............1 (2%) You gotta love that last one! Perhaps we can do this again some time. Cheers! | |
05 May 2010
The Stephen Marlow Project
Here's another great example of an offhand target rifle that was shared by one of our readers. However, this offhand rifle by Stephen Marlow is different than the rifle we looked at last week in that it was made from the Billinghurst underhammer action kit that is available from Muzzleloader Builder’s Supply http://muzzleloaderbuilderssupply.com. For a closer look at the underhammer action Stephen chose, you can read about it further down the page at my posting at the Underhammer Action Round-up.
In addition to his interest in building muzzleloading rifles, Stephen is also the President of the Texas Shooting Sports Complex, www.txssc.org, an NRA Training Counselor, Chief Range Safety Officer, and a Shooting Sports Instructor for both the local 4-H and Boy Scouts. I don't know where he ever found the time to build a rifle!
For this project Stephen decided to go with a 36-inch .50 calibre barrel with a 1:60 twist that would provide high velocity to the round balls that he planned to shoot out to 200 yards. The rifle finished out at 54 inches in length and a hefty 12 pounds.
He wanted to build an offhand target rifle with a full pistol grip like those of the late percussion period. However, the mode in which the offhand rifle is mounted and held generally required special consideration as far as length of pull and stock configuration is concerned. Usually, hunting rifle stocks don’t provide the best offhand fit and offhand stocks don’t do well for snap shots that present themselves in the field. Each discipline has its own design parameters that must be considered if you wish to enjoy sweet success.
An offhand rifle is not held in the same manner as a hunting rifle. Generally speaking, the hunting rifle, when aimed from a comfortable offhand hold, is held at about a 30 degree angle from a line across the shoulders of the shooter. The offhand target rifle, on the other hand, has a shorter length of pull which allows it to be held in tighter to the chest. In fact, it is held at about 10 degrees or less. Holding the rifle up tight against the shooters chest provides a much more stable frame from which to control the rifle.
Such a stance is further secured by bracing the left elbow (for a right hand shooter) up tight against the rib cage. With the proper fit of rifle to shooter, the idea is for the shooter to simply stand up straight and have the rifle fit. Adding a palm rest to the forearm of the stock provides even greater ease in supporting and controlling the rifle by the left hand as Stephen demonstrates above.
You may recall that at some time or another you've picked up a rifle and had to contort your neck or arms and shoulders in order to fit the rifle. One might tolerate that poor design in a hunting rifle where you are only taking one or two shots at a time. But in a target shooting situation, where you may be shooting a 20-shot string, craning your neck and shoulders to accommodate an ill-fitting stock will fatigue the body rather quickly and accuracy suffers badly.
There is a certain beauty in a properly proportioned offhand rifle such as the old schuetzen rifles. They were fit to the shooter like a glove. The shooter simply stood in a natural pose and the rifle fit the pose perfectly.
Stephen is a pretty savvy shooter and understands all of this geometry business and to be sure that he got it right, he made a mock up of his rifle in Styrofoam. That’s right – Styrofoam. I thought it a rather ingenious idea that allows the builder to quickly and accurately determine the perfect shape of the buttstock for his style of shooting.
Once Stephen had the Styrofoam stock whittled to fit him, it was a simple matter to transfer it to the prime slab of mesquite that he had harvested from the back 40. For you younger guys, that’s farmer talk for the backyard. That piece of mesquite had a tight curve in the grain that Stephen took advantage of by using it in the transition from the pistol grip to the body of the buttstock.
After careful finishing of the MBS Billinghurst action kit, Stephen carefully fit the action to his prized stick of mesquite and a beautiful rifle slowly began to emerge as seen above and below.
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Once completed, Stephen took his prize to the range. He stated, "It was my honor to have several of our instructors take a shot with this fine rifle at our NRA Shoot Day. We hosted 100 or so Venture kids at the Lost Pines Boy Scout Camp near Bastrop – a semiannual event."
Although somewhat finished, Stephen is still searching for the right sights for his new creation. He knows that he will be using the Merit rear sight insert as provided by The Merit Corporation, www.meritcorporation.com, fitted to some sort of ladder tang sight and a Vaver front globe that he just acquired. I'm hoping that once he's found what works best for him, maybe we'll hear more as he works with his new offhand rifle to develop a winning load.
Thanks Stephen for sharing your work with us. You've not only built a wonderful rifle, but your work of photo-documenting it has given us a great look at your build.
Yet another inspiration for those of you who are getting the bug to build an underhammer rifle.
Come on in - the water's fine!
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In addition to his interest in building muzzleloading rifles, Stephen is also the President of the Texas Shooting Sports Complex, www.txssc.org, an NRA Training Counselor, Chief Range Safety Officer, and a Shooting Sports Instructor for both the local 4-H and Boy Scouts. I don't know where he ever found the time to build a rifle!
For this project Stephen decided to go with a 36-inch .50 calibre barrel with a 1:60 twist that would provide high velocity to the round balls that he planned to shoot out to 200 yards. The rifle finished out at 54 inches in length and a hefty 12 pounds.
He wanted to build an offhand target rifle with a full pistol grip like those of the late percussion period. However, the mode in which the offhand rifle is mounted and held generally required special consideration as far as length of pull and stock configuration is concerned. Usually, hunting rifle stocks don’t provide the best offhand fit and offhand stocks don’t do well for snap shots that present themselves in the field. Each discipline has its own design parameters that must be considered if you wish to enjoy sweet success.
An offhand rifle is not held in the same manner as a hunting rifle. Generally speaking, the hunting rifle, when aimed from a comfortable offhand hold, is held at about a 30 degree angle from a line across the shoulders of the shooter. The offhand target rifle, on the other hand, has a shorter length of pull which allows it to be held in tighter to the chest. In fact, it is held at about 10 degrees or less. Holding the rifle up tight against the shooters chest provides a much more stable frame from which to control the rifle.
Such a stance is further secured by bracing the left elbow (for a right hand shooter) up tight against the rib cage. With the proper fit of rifle to shooter, the idea is for the shooter to simply stand up straight and have the rifle fit. Adding a palm rest to the forearm of the stock provides even greater ease in supporting and controlling the rifle by the left hand as Stephen demonstrates above.
You may recall that at some time or another you've picked up a rifle and had to contort your neck or arms and shoulders in order to fit the rifle. One might tolerate that poor design in a hunting rifle where you are only taking one or two shots at a time. But in a target shooting situation, where you may be shooting a 20-shot string, craning your neck and shoulders to accommodate an ill-fitting stock will fatigue the body rather quickly and accuracy suffers badly.
There is a certain beauty in a properly proportioned offhand rifle such as the old schuetzen rifles. They were fit to the shooter like a glove. The shooter simply stood in a natural pose and the rifle fit the pose perfectly.
Stephen is a pretty savvy shooter and understands all of this geometry business and to be sure that he got it right, he made a mock up of his rifle in Styrofoam. That’s right – Styrofoam. I thought it a rather ingenious idea that allows the builder to quickly and accurately determine the perfect shape of the buttstock for his style of shooting.
Here's the layout sequence from the cardboard to the 3-D styrofoam model
and finally laid out on the mesquite slab and ready for the bandsaw.
and finally laid out on the mesquite slab and ready for the bandsaw.
Once Stephen had the Styrofoam stock whittled to fit him, it was a simple matter to transfer it to the prime slab of mesquite that he had harvested from the back 40. For you younger guys, that’s farmer talk for the backyard. That piece of mesquite had a tight curve in the grain that Stephen took advantage of by using it in the transition from the pistol grip to the body of the buttstock.
1. A sharp chisel is essential for clean, crisp inletting of the tangs. 2. A depth gauge really helps in achieving consistent depth of the tang channels. 3. & 4. The evidence of skill, patience, and sharp tools is evident in the perfect fit of the top and bottom tangs. 5. Once the action was fitted to the stock, rough shaping could begin. 6. After careful fitting of the deep-pronged buttplate, shaping of the stock's perchbelly completed the roughing in of the basic shape and proportions.
After careful finishing of the MBS Billinghurst action kit, Stephen carefully fit the action to his prized stick of mesquite and a beautiful rifle slowly began to emerge as seen above and below.
Here the photos are self explanatory as we see the forearm take shape.
Stephen secured the forearm to the barrel with a traditional pinning method.
Stephen secured the forearm to the barrel with a traditional pinning method.
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Once completed, Stephen took his prize to the range. He stated, "It was my honor to have several of our instructors take a shot with this fine rifle at our NRA Shoot Day. We hosted 100 or so Venture kids at the Lost Pines Boy Scout Camp near Bastrop – a semiannual event."
Although somewhat finished, Stephen is still searching for the right sights for his new creation. He knows that he will be using the Merit rear sight insert as provided by The Merit Corporation, www.meritcorporation.com, fitted to some sort of ladder tang sight and a Vaver front globe that he just acquired. I'm hoping that once he's found what works best for him, maybe we'll hear more as he works with his new offhand rifle to develop a winning load.
Thanks Stephen for sharing your work with us. You've not only built a wonderful rifle, but your work of photo-documenting it has given us a great look at your build.
Yet another inspiration for those of you who are getting the bug to build an underhammer rifle.
Come on in - the water's fine!
All photos copyrighted by Stephen Marlow
03 May 2010
Replicating the original Numrich Arms “Hopkins & Allen”
As they say, “Better late than never.” So it is with this late entry into our Underhammer Action Roundup. Unfortunately John Taylor was not able to provide his information and photos in time for the Roundup back in February, but he finally got his information to me. I am including it because I believe it is a worthwhile addition to your growing stores of underhammer knowledge and acumen. While you may think he’s a Johnnie-come-lately, John Taylor is no newcomer to underhammer guns and builds high quality actions for a very reasonable price.
George Numrich introduced his “Hopkins & Allen” underhammer rifles back in the 1950s and now the supply of them has pretty well dried up. But the interest in them is still strong and there are even a number of builders who are beginning to replicate the simple, clean lines of George’s original design. However, making a true to the original replica is not quite so easy anymore. Since having been acquired by another concern, George’s action design has morphed into an “improved” version that is looking less and less like George’s old Hopkins & Allen.
For those who wish to get back to the original, John Taylor will provide a completely round-bodied action true to the original featuring a fully-machined steel receiver which incorporates a tapered pin to secure the barrel and receiver.
However, John also offers some variations on that theme, as he explains:
“I try to stay with the same size as the H&A under hammer actions so I can use the same hammer, trigger and spring that was used in the original.
I make actions in three diameter sizes, 1", 1.125" and 1.250". This action (the subject of these photos) is made from brass and set up to take the original butt stock with a little work. This action was also threaded for the breach plug to provide a stiffer rifle – it’s not a takedown.
I prefer to use a 1/2" stock bolt for added strength in the wrist area and most of the time the bolt will be 10" to 12" long. The rear of the action is countersunk just like the H&A to help keep the stock from splitting.
Barrels are held in three different ways: threaded, taper pin or set screw. I make whatever the customer wants - within reason.”
Basic actions are $180.
“I am not a stock maker. It's not that I can't make them, just that I can't make a living at it. I can cut the octagon channel for the forearm using special made router bits in the milling machine. I can also make dovetail thimbles and lugs for holding the forearm. Numrich did have the simplest way to hold the forearm and I can mount and pin the forearm to the barrel the same way if the customer wants it that way.”
For more information about John’s underhammer actions and his other custom services, visit his website: www.johntaylormachine.com. E-mail: john@johntaylormachine.com or phone: (253) 445-4073.
PS: One of my very early posts features one of John's small-frame rifles. If you go to the bottom of this page and click on Older Posts you can get back to that first page and see another example of his work.
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George Numrich introduced his “Hopkins & Allen” underhammer rifles back in the 1950s and now the supply of them has pretty well dried up. But the interest in them is still strong and there are even a number of builders who are beginning to replicate the simple, clean lines of George’s original design. However, making a true to the original replica is not quite so easy anymore. Since having been acquired by another concern, George’s action design has morphed into an “improved” version that is looking less and less like George’s old Hopkins & Allen.
For those who wish to get back to the original, John Taylor will provide a completely round-bodied action true to the original featuring a fully-machined steel receiver which incorporates a tapered pin to secure the barrel and receiver.
However, John also offers some variations on that theme, as he explains:
“I try to stay with the same size as the H&A under hammer actions so I can use the same hammer, trigger and spring that was used in the original.
I make actions in three diameter sizes, 1", 1.125" and 1.250". This action (the subject of these photos) is made from brass and set up to take the original butt stock with a little work. This action was also threaded for the breach plug to provide a stiffer rifle – it’s not a takedown.
John's extra long and extra stout stock bolt
makes for a very stiff and sturdy rifle.
makes for a very stiff and sturdy rifle.
Barrels are held in three different ways: threaded, taper pin or set screw. I make whatever the customer wants - within reason.”
Basic actions are $180.
“I am not a stock maker. It's not that I can't make them, just that I can't make a living at it. I can cut the octagon channel for the forearm using special made router bits in the milling machine. I can also make dovetail thimbles and lugs for holding the forearm. Numrich did have the simplest way to hold the forearm and I can mount and pin the forearm to the barrel the same way if the customer wants it that way.”
For more information about John’s underhammer actions and his other custom services, visit his website: www.johntaylormachine.com. E-mail: john@johntaylormachine.com or phone: (253) 445-4073.
Photo copyrights by John Taylor
PS: One of my very early posts features one of John's small-frame rifles. If you go to the bottom of this page and click on Older Posts you can get back to that first page and see another example of his work.
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Roger Renner
Hi. I've been a student, admirer, and designer/builder of underhammer guns for over 30 years. In that span I've built over 200 semi-custom underhammers exploring the possibilities from the ordinary to the exotic. In 1996 I founded Pacific Rifle Company to explore the market's interest in a high-quality underhammer rifle. Thankfully, that interest was, and still is, there. I sold PRC in 2006 but continue to craft high-end underhammers as I am truly afflicted with underhammeritis - which can be contagious!
Hi. I've been a student, admirer, and designer/builder of underhammer guns for over 30 years. In that span I've built over 200 semi-custom underhammers exploring the possibilities from the ordinary to the exotic. In 1996 I founded Pacific Rifle Company to explore the market's interest in a high-quality underhammer rifle. Thankfully, that interest was, and still is, there. I sold PRC in 2006 but continue to craft high-end underhammers as I am truly afflicted with underhammeritis - which can be contagious!